Garmin
Forerunner® 165 Music vs Forerunner® 970
Size, specs & wrist fit compared
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Which one fits you
On wrists narrower than about 49mm, the Forerunner® 165 Music is the safer pick — it stays proportionate down to roughly 45mm, where the Forerunner® 970 starts to hang over the edge. Above 49mm both sit cleanly, and the Forerunner® 970 gives you more presence.
The Forerunner® 970 wears larger than the Forerunner® 165 Music (47mm vs 43mm case), giving it more wrist presence — and needing a wider wrist to sit cleanly.
The Forerunner® 165 Music is the slimmer of the two (11.6mm vs 12.9mm), so it slides under a cuff more easily.
On the wrist the Forerunner® 165 Music feels lighter (39g vs 56g, case only).
Among the 318 43mm watches we hold thickness for, the Forerunner® 165 Music is thinner than 86%, so it wears flatter than its width suggests.
The Forerunner® 970 is middle-of-the-pack for thickness among the 102 47mm watches in the database.
The Forerunner® 970 is 4mm wider, 4mm longer, 1.3mm thicker and 17g heavier than the Forerunner® 165 Music. Both are circular.
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Watch Fit Tool
For sports watches, lug-to-lug (L2L) is what matters most — it decides whether a watch overhangs your wrist. Bulky is fine; overhang is not.
Measure at the point where you wear your watch — typically just below the wrist bone.
Flat width — lay your arm on a table, palm facing up, and measure straight across the top of your wrist with a ruler. Bone to bone; do not follow the curve down the sides.
Around — wrap a tape measure snugly round the wrist. No tape? Wrap a strip of paper, mark the overlap and hold the strip against a ruler.
Width ≠ circumference. They are different numbers — around 170mm is about 64mm across — so set the toggle to whichever one you actually measured before you type it in.
Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music
Case 43.0mm · Lug-to-lug 43.0mm · Thickness 11.6mm · 39g
Balanced Fit
43mm on a 55mm wrist
Comfortably inside the edges of your wrist, and it seats and sits low enough to wear without thinking about it.
On a 55mm wrist the sweet spot is 47–53mm lug to lug. This one is 43mm, so you could go bigger.
Measure where you wear it, just below the wrist bone. Either of these works — the tool converts between them.
- 1. Flat width — arm flat on a table, palm up. Measure straight across the top of the wrist, bone to bone, ignoring the curve down the sides.
- 2. Around — a tape, or a strip of paper marked and held against a ruler, snug the whole way round.
Leather: Attaches at the lugs, so the case back rests on your skin. Thins and softens with wear. Typical figures, not this model’s own.
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- Across the wrist6.0mm spare each side
Comfortable, with visible skin either side.
- Off the wrist11.6mm off the skin
Normal sports-watch height for a wrist this size. (11.6mm case, back against the skin)
- How it seats~4.4mm under the rim
Seats well, with the case back following most of the wrist.
- Weight on the wrist39g
Light enough to forget you have it on. (0.7g per mm of wrist)
Garmin Forerunner® 970
Case 47.0mm · Lug-to-lug 47.0mm · Thickness 12.9mm · 56g
Sweet Spot
47mm on a 55mm wrist
Across the wrist it works — 4.0mm spare each side — but wide enough that the edge of the case back lifts clear of the skin.
On a 55mm wrist the sweet spot is 47–53mm lug to lug. This one is 47mm.
Measure where you wear it, just below the wrist bone. Either of these works — the tool converts between them.
- 1. Flat width — arm flat on a table, palm up. Measure straight across the top of the wrist, bone to bone, ignoring the curve down the sides.
- 2. Around — a tape, or a strip of paper marked and held against a ruler, snug the whole way round.
Leather: Attaches at the lugs, so the case back rests on your skin. Thins and softens with wear. Typical figures, not this model’s own.
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- Across the wrist4.0mm spare each side
Fills the wrist without reaching the edge.
- Off the wrist12.9mm off the skin
Normal sports-watch height for a wrist this size. (12.9mm case, back against the skin)
- How it seats~6.1mm under the rim
Wide enough that the edge of the case back lifts clear of the skin.
- Weight on the wrist56g
Substantial without being a burden — the usual weight of a steel watch on a wrist this size. (1.0g per mm of wrist)
2D Dimension Schematics
Every case drawn to scale on a shared centre — from above, and in profile against the wrist.
- Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music43mm · 11.6mm thick
- Garmin Forerunner® 97047mm · 12.9mm thick
3D preview
Forerunner® 165 Music vs Forerunner® 970 on a wrist
Sized to your own wrist, turned any way you like.
Shapes are built from published measurements, not manufacturer 3D models — accurate proportions, generic dial.
Battery life compared
Furthest apart in GPS-Only GNSS with music mode, where the 970 lasts 2.0× as long as the 165 Music (14 hours against 7 hours).
165 Music970
Battery Saver Smartwatch
20 days—Smartwatch
11 days15 daysGPS-Only GNSS
19 hours26 hoursSatIQ GNSS
—23 hoursAll-Systems GNSS + Multi-Band
—21 hoursAll-Systems GNSS
17 hours—GPS-Only GNSS with music
7 hours14 hoursSatIQ GNSS with music
—13 hoursAll-Systems GNSS + Multi-Band with music
—12 hoursAll-Systems GNSS with music
6.5 hours—
Specifications
The short version
7 key specs| Spec | GarminForerunner® 165 Music | GarminForerunner® 970 |
|---|---|---|
| Case Width | 43mm | 47mm |
| Thickness | 11.6mm | 12.9mm |
| Weight | 39g | 56g |
| Shape | Circular | Circular |
| Display type | AMOLED (optional always-on mode) | AMOLED (optional always-on mode) |
| Battery life | Smartwatch mode: Up to 11 days Battery Saver Smartwatch mode: Up to 20 days GPS-Only GNSS mode: Up to 19 hours All-Systems GNSS mode: Up to 17 hours GPS-Only GNSS mode with music: Up to 7 hours All-Systems GNSS mode with music: Up to 6.5 hours See Details | Smartwatch mode: Up to 15 days GPS-Only GNSS mode: Up to 26 hours SatIQ (AutoSelect) GNSS mode: Up to 23 hours All-Systems GNSS mode + Multi-Band: Up to 21 hours GPS-Only GNSS mode with music: Up to 14 hours SatIQ (AutoSelect) GNSS mode with music: Up to 13 hours All-Systems GNSS mode + Multi-Band with music: Up to 12 hours See Details |
| Released | 2024 | 2025 |
Every specification
301 specs| Spec | Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music | Garmin Forerunner® 970 |
|---|---|---|
| Overview | ||
| Family | Garmin | Garmin |
| General | ||
| Battery life | Smartwatch mode: Up to 11 days Battery Saver Smartwatch mode: Up to 20 days GPS-Only GNSS mode: Up to 19 hours All-Systems GNSS mode: Up to 17 hours GPS-Only GNSS mode with music: Up to 7 hours All-Systems GNSS mode with music: Up to 6.5 hours See Details | Smartwatch mode: Up to 15 days GPS-Only GNSS mode: Up to 26 hours SatIQ (AutoSelect) GNSS mode: Up to 23 hours All-Systems GNSS mode + Multi-Band: Up to 21 hours GPS-Only GNSS mode with music: Up to 14 hours SatIQ (AutoSelect) GNSS mode with music: Up to 13 hours All-Systems GNSS mode + Multi-Band with music: Up to 12 hours See Details |
| Battery type | Lithium ion | Lithium ion |
| Display Size | 1.2" (30.4 mm) diameter | 1.4" (35.3 mm) diameter |
| Color display | Yes | Yes |
| Lens Material | chemically strengthened glass | Sapphire Crystal |
| Bezel Material | fiber-reinforced polymer | titanium |
| Memory/History | 4 GB | 32 GB |
| Strap material | silicone | silicone |
| Charging method | Garmin proprietary plug charger | Garmin proprietary plug charger |
| Large font option | Yes | Yes |
| Display resolution | 390 x 390 pixels | 454 x 454 pixels |
| Quick Release bands | yes (20 mm, Industry standard) | — |
| Built-in speaker/microphone | — | Yes |
| QuickFit® watch band compatible | — | yes (22 mm) |
| Sensors | ||
| GPS | Yes | Yes |
| Compass | Yes | Yes |
| GLONASS | Yes | Yes |
| Galileo | Yes | Yes |
| Thermometer | Yes | Yes |
| Accelerometer | Yes | Yes |
| Ambient light sensor | Yes | Yes |
| Barometric altimeter | Yes | Yes |
| Pulse Ox Blood Oxygen Saturation Monitor | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Elevate™ wrist heart rate monitor | Yes | Yes |
| QZSS | — | Yes |
| BeiDou | — | Yes |
| Gyroscope | — | Yes |
| SatIQ™ Technology | — | Yes |
| Product Info | ||
| Main SKU | 010-02863-30 | 010-02969-00 |
| Product ID | 1611937 | 1462801 |
| Product Name | Forerunner® 165 Music | Forerunner® 970 |
| Release Date | 2/20/2024 | 5/15/2025 |
| Product Variation | Black/Slate Gray | Carbon Gray DLC Titanium with Black Case and Black/Translucent Whitestone Band |
| Clock Features | ||
| Timer | Yes | Yes |
| Stopwatch | Yes | Yes |
| Time/date | Yes | Yes |
| Alarm clock | Yes | Yes |
| GPS Time Sync | Yes | Yes |
| Sunrise/sunset times | Yes | Yes |
| Automatic daylight saving time | Yes | Yes |
| Cycling Features | ||
| Courses | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia™ lights | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia headlight camera | Yes | Yes |
| Speed and cadence sensor support (w/sensor) | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia™ radar (rear-facing radar) | Yes | Yes |
| Alerts (triggers alarm when you reach goals including time, distance, heart rate or calories) | Yes | Yes |
| Power guide | — | Yes |
| MTB Grit & Flow | — | Yes |
| Race an activity | — | Yes |
| Power meter compatible | — | Yes |
| Advanced cycling dynamics | — | Yes |
| Power curve and % FTP workouts | — | Yes |
| FTP (Functional Threshold Power) | — | yes (with compatible accessory) |
| Cycle Map (routable cycling-specific street map) | — | Yes |
| Bike lap and lap maximum power (with power sensor) | — | Yes |
| Compatible with Vector™ and Rally™ (power meters) | — | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia Vision™ (head-mounted display) | — | Yes |
| Running Features | ||
| Run workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Running power | Yes | Yes |
| Race predictor | Yes | Yes |
| Foot pod capable | Yes | Yes |
| Running dynamics | Yes | Yes |
| Run/Walk/Stand detection | Yes | Yes |
| Stride length (real time) | Yes | Yes |
| PacePro™ Pacing Strategies | Yes | Yes |
| Vertical oscillation and ratio | Yes | Yes |
| Ground contact time and balance | yes (but not balance) | yes (GCT balance with accessory) |
| GPS-based distance, time and pace | Yes | Yes |
| Course- and weather-specific race predictor | Yes | Yes |
| Cadence (provides real-time number of steps per minute) | Yes | Yes |
| Hill score | — | Yes |
| Running Economy | — | yes (with compatible accessory) |
| Step speed loss | — | yes (with compatible accessory) |
| Lactate threshold | — | Yes |
| Running Tolerance | — | Yes |
| Grade-adjusted pace | — | Yes |
| Trail run auto climb | — | Yes |
| Performance condition | — | Yes |
| Projected race time and pace | — | Yes |
| What You'll Love | ||
| Touchscreen | Yes | Yes |
| Display type | AMOLED (optional always-on mode) | AMOLED (optional always-on mode) |
| Water rating | 5 ATM | 5 ATM |
| Garmin Pay™ | Yes | Yes |
| Music storage | Yes | Yes |
| Pulse Ox blood oxygen | yes (spot-check, during sleep, all day) | yes (spot-check, and optional all-day acclimation and in sleep) |
| Sleep score and insights | Yes | Yes |
| Battery life (smartwatch mode) | Up to 11 days | Up to 15 days |
| Garmin ECG App | — | Yes |
| LED flashlight | — | Yes |
| Multi-band GPS | — | Yes |
| Training status | — | yes (improved) |
| Built-in mapping | — | Yes |
| Training readiness | — | Yes |
| Make calls and send texts via voice | — | yes (with paired compatible smartphone) |
| Activity Profiles | ||
| Gym | Strength, HIIT, Cardio, Elliptical Training, Stair Stepping, Floor Climbing | Strength, HIIT, Cardio, Elliptical Training, Stair Stepping, Floor Climbing, Indoor Rowing, Jump Roping |
| Swim | Pool Swimming, Open Water Swimming | Pool Swimming, Open Water Swimming |
| Cycling | Biking, Indoor Biking | Biking, Road Biking, Mountain Biking, Gravel Biking, Bike Commuting, Bike Touring, eBiking, eMountain Biking, Indoor Biking, Cyclocross, BMX |
| Wellness | Walking, Pilates, Yoga, Indoor Walking | Walking, Pilates, Yoga, Indoor Walking, Mobility |
| Racket sports | Tennis, Pickleball, Padel | Tennis, Pickleball, Badminton, Squash, Table Tennis, Padel, Platform Tennis, Racquetball |
| Indoor running | Treadmill Running, Indoor Track Running, Virtual Running | Treadmill Running, Indoor Track Running, Virtual Running |
| Outdoor running | Running, Outdoor Track Running, Trail Running, Ultra Running | Running, Outdoor Track Running, Trail Running, Ultra Running, Obstacle Racing |
| Outdoor recreation | Hiking | Hiking, Rucking, Mountaineering, Indoor Climbing, Bouldering, Hunting, Horseback Riding, Golfing, Disc Golf, Archery |
| Multisport | — | Triathlon, Duathlon, Brick, Pool Triathlon, Swimming/Running |
| In the ring | — | Boxing, Mixed Martial Arts |
| Team sports | — | Basketball, Volleyball, Field Hockey, Ice Hockey, Football/Soccer, American Football, Lacrosse, Rugby, Ultimate Disc, Cricket, Softball, Baseball |
| Motor sports | — | Motorcycling, Overlanding, Motocrossing, ATVing, Snowmobiling |
| On the Water | — | Stand Up Paddleboarding, Rowing, Kayaking, Fishing, Boating, Sailing, Sail Racing, Snorkeling, Sailing Expedition |
| Snow & winter | — | Skiing, Snowboarding, Backcountry Snowboarding, XC Classic Skiing, XC Skate Skiing, Backcountry Skiing, Ice Skating, Snowshoeing |
| Other activity profiles | — | Inline skating |
| Swimming Features | ||
| Time and distance alerts | Yes | Yes |
| Auto rest (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Drill logging (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Countdown start (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Underwater wrist-based heart rate | Yes | Yes |
| "Repeat on" rest timer (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Basic rest timer (up from 0) (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Stroke type detection (freestyle, backstroke, breaststroke, butterfly) (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Pool swim metrics (lengths, distance, pace, stroke count, swim efficiency (SWOLF), calories) | Yes | Yes |
| Open-water swim metrics (distance, pace, stroke count/rate, stroke distance, swim efficiency (SWOLF), calories) | Yes | Yes |
| Pool swim workouts | — | Yes |
| Critical swim speed | — | Yes |
| Pacing alerts (pool swim only) | — | Yes |
| Heart rate from external HRM (real-time during rests, interval and session stats during rests, and automatic heart rate download post-swim) | — | yes (with HRM-Swim, HRM-Pro, HRM-Pro Plus or HRM 600) |
| Outdoor Recreation | ||
| Auto rest | Yes | Yes |
| TracBack® | Yes | Yes |
| Back to start | Yes | Yes |
| Fish forecast | yes (via Connect IQ™) | yes (via Connect IQ™) |
| UltraTrac mode | Yes | Yes |
| Area calculation | yes (via Connect IQ™) | yes (via Connect IQ™) |
| Elevation profile | Yes | Yes |
| Total ascent/descent | Yes | Yes |
| Future elevation plot | Yes | Yes |
| Distance to destination | Yes | Yes |
| Sun and moon information | yes (via Connect IQ™) | Yes |
| Point-to-point navigation | Yes | Yes |
| Rest Timer (Ultra Run only) | Yes | Yes |
| Bread crumb trail in real time | Yes | Yes |
| Up Ahead | — | Yes |
| Sight 'N Go | — | Yes |
| Explore Nearby | — | Yes |
| Vertical speed | — | Yes |
| GPS coordinates | — | Yes |
| Projected waypoint | — | Yes |
| NextFork™ navigation | — | Yes |
| Expedition GPS Activity | — | Yes |
| Preloaded ski resort maps | — | Yes |
| ClimbPro™ Ascent Planner | — | Yes |
| Preloaded road and trail maps | — | Yes |
| Downloadable cartography support | — | Yes |
| Barometric trend indicator with Storm Alert | — | Yes |
| Daily Smart Features | ||
| Calendar | Yes | Yes |
| Passcode | Yes | Yes |
| Connectivity | Bluetooth®, ANT+®, Wi-Fi® | Bluetooth®, ANT+®, Wi-Fi® |
| Garmin Share | Yes | Yes |
| Find My Phone | Yes | Yes |
| Find My Watch | Yes | Yes |
| Morning report | Yes | Yes |
| Red shift mode | Yes | Yes |
| Weather forecasts | Yes | Yes |
| Smart Notifications | Yes | Yes |
| Smartphone compatibility | iPhone®, Android™ | iPhone®, Android™ |
| Controls smartphone music | Yes | Yes |
| On-device Connect IQ™ Store | Yes | Yes |
| Plays and controls watch music | Yes | Yes |
| Find My Phone during GPS activity | Yes | Yes |
| Pairs with Garmin Connect™ Mobile | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Garmin Messenger app | Yes | Yes |
| Battery saver (customizable low power watch) | Yes | Yes |
| Realtime settings sync with Garmin Connect™ mobile | Yes | Yes |
| View images from notifications on watch (Android™ only) | Yes | Yes |
| Text response/reject phone call with text (Android™ only) | Yes | Yes |
| Connect IQ™ (downloadable watch faces, data fields and apps) | Yes | Yes |
| Stocks | — | yes (optional Connect IQ app) |
| Voice command | — | Yes |
| Evening report | — | Yes |
| Smart trainer control | — | Yes |
| Bluetooth phone calling and voice assistant support | — | Yes |
| Activity Tracking Features | ||
| TrueUp™ | Yes | Yes |
| Move IQ™ | Yes | Yes |
| Step counter | Yes | Yes |
| Floors climbed | Yes | Yes |
| Calories burned | Yes | Yes |
| Distance traveled | Yes | Yes |
| Intensity minutes | Yes | Yes |
| Automatic rep counting | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Connect™ Challenges app | yes (optional Connect IQ app) | yes (optional Connect IQ app) |
| Move alerts (displays on device after a period of inactivity) | Yes | Yes |
| Auto goal (learns your activity level and assigns a daily step goal) | Yes | Yes |
| Workout and Training Plans | ||
| HIIT workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Yoga workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Cardio workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Pilates workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Strength workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Running Coach | yes (no strength add-on) | Yes |
| Garmin Running Coach Experts | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Coach - Prebuilt Cycling Plans | Yes | Yes |
| Daily Suggested Workout - Running (Pace and Heart Rate Based) | Yes | Yes |
| Multisport workouts | — | Yes |
| Garmin Cycling Coach | — | Yes |
| Garmin Triathlon Coach | — | Yes |
| Garmin Coach - Strength | — | Yes |
| On-screen workout animations | — | Yes |
| On-screen workout muscle maps | — | Yes |
| Daily Suggested Workout - Cycling (Pace and Heart Rate Based) | — | Yes |
| Health & Wellness Monitoring | ||
| Sleep | yes (advanced) | yes (advanced) |
| Hydration | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) |
| Breathwork | Yes | Yes |
| Meditation | Yes | Yes |
| Fitness age | Yes | Yes |
| Nap detection | Yes | Yes |
| All-day stress | Yes | Yes |
| Women's health | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) |
| Health snapshot | Yes | Yes |
| Respiration rate | Yes | Yes |
| Resting heart rate | Yes | Yes |
| Breathing variations | Yes | Yes |
| Relaxation reminders | Yes | Yes |
| Abnormal heart rate alerts | yes (high and low) | yes (high and low) |
| Relaxation breathing timer | Yes | Yes |
| Body Battery™ energy monitor | Yes | Yes |
| Wrist-based heart rate (constant, every second) | Yes | Yes |
| Sleep coach | — | Yes |
| Jet lag adviser | — | Yes |
| Skin temperature | — | Yes |
| Safety and Tracking Features | ||
| Assistance | Yes | Yes |
| Live Event Sharing | Android™ Only | Android™ Only |
| Incident Detection during select activities | Yes | Yes |
| Incident detection alert on phone for wearables | Yes | Yes |
| Kid Activity Tracking Features | ||
| Toe-to-Toe™ Challenges app | yes (optional Connect IQ Toe-to-Toe™ Challenges app) | — |
| Training, Planning and Analysis Features | ||
| % HRR | Yes | Yes |
| % HR max | Yes | Yes |
| HR zones | Yes | Yes |
| HR alerts | Yes | Yes |
| HRV status | Yes | Yes |
| Manual lap | Yes | Yes |
| Rest timer | Yes | Yes |
| Auto max HR | Yes | Yes |
| Finish time | Yes | Yes |
| HR calories | Yes | Yes |
| Voice alerts | Yes | Yes |
| Physio TrueUp | Yes | Yes |
| Recovery time | Yes | Yes |
| VO2 Max (Run) | Yes | Yes |
| Course guidance | Yes | Yes |
| Training effect | Yes | Yes |
| Advanced workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Interval training | Yes | Yes |
| Race glance/widget | Yes | Yes |
| VO2 Max (Trail Run) | Yes | Yes |
| GPS speed and distance | Yes | Yes |
| Configurable lap alerts | Yes | Yes |
| Customizable data pages | Yes | Yes |
| Touch and/or button lock | Yes | Yes |
| Activity history on watch | Yes | Yes |
| Downloadable training plans | Yes | Yes |
| Training effect (anaerobic) | Yes | Yes |
| HRM running pace and distance | Yes | Yes |
| Customizable activity profiles | Yes | Yes |
| Auto Pause® automatic timer halt | Yes | Yes |
| Respiration rate (during exercise) | Yoga and Breathwork only | yes (with compatible accessory) |
| Auto Lap® interval tracking feature | Yes | Yes |
| Primary benefit (Training Effect labels) | Yes | Yes |
| HR broadcast (broadcasts HR data over ANT+® to paired devices) | Yes | Yes |
| Shortcuts | — | Yes |
| Load ratio | — | Yes |
| Auto scroll | — | Yes |
| Custom alerts | — | Yes |
| Training load | — | Yes |
| Endurance score | — | Yes |
| Virtual Partner | — | Yes |
| Race an Activity | — | Yes |
| Realtime stamina | — | Yes |
| Training load focus | — | Yes |
| Garmin Live Segments | — | Yes |
| Strava Live Segments | — | Yes |
| Improved recovery time | — | Yes |
| Unified training status | — | Yes |
| Multisport auto transition | — | Yes |
| Manual multisport activities | — | Yes |
| Heat and altitude acclimation | — | Yes |
| Trendline™ Popularity Routing | — | Yes |
| Round-trip course creator (running/cycling) | — | Yes |
| Power Modes - customizable in-activity battery settings | — | Yes |
| Improved interval (includes open repeats, intervals data page, rest screen and auto detection) | — | Yes |
| Golfing Features | ||
| PinPointer | — | Yes |
| Handicap scoring | — | Yes |
| Tournament legal | — | Yes |
| Digital scorecard | — | Yes |
| Garmin AutoShot™ | — | Yes |
| Round timer/odometer | — | Yes |
| Auto CourseView updates | — | Yes |
| Yardage to layups/doglegs | — | Yes |
| Hazards and course targets | — | Yes |
| Pairs with Garmin Golf app | — | Yes |
| Green View with manual pin position | — | Yes |
| Preloaded with 43,000 courses worldwide | — | Yes |
| CT10 Automatic club tracking compatible (requires accessory) | — | Yes |
| Yardage to F/M/B (distance to front, middle and back of green) | — | Yes |
| Stat tracking (strokes, putts per round, greens and fairways hit) | — | Yes |
| Measures shot distance (calculates exact yardage for shots from anywhere on course) | — | automatic |
Wrist Fit
Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music
Sits best on wrists ~45–61mm wide (≈ 12.0–16.3cm circumference).
Garmin Forerunner® 970
Sits best on wrists ~49–67mm wide (≈ 13.1–17.9cm circumference).
Frequently Asked Questions
Is the Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music bigger than the Garmin Forerunner® 970?
The Garmin Forerunner® 970 is bigger — 47mm vs 43mm case width.
Which fits a smaller wrist better, the Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music or the Garmin Forerunner® 970?
The Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music suits wrists around 45–61mm wide, and the Garmin Forerunner® 970 around 49–67mm. The one with the smaller lower bound is the safer pick for a small wrist.
Can I see the Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music and Garmin Forerunner® 970 side by side at true scale?
Yes — the schematics and photos above show both watches at matched scale, and our fit tool overlays each on your wrist width.