Garmin Forerunner 165 Music vs MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition
Size, specs & wrist fit compared
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Which one fits you
On wrists narrower than about 48mm, the Forerunner 165 Music is the safer pick — it stays proportionate down to roughly 45mm, where the MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition starts to hang over the edge. Above 48mm both sit cleanly, and the MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition gives you more presence.
The MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition wears larger than the Forerunner 165 Music (46mm vs 43mm case), giving it more wrist presence — and needing a wider wrist to sit cleanly.
The Forerunner 165 Music is the slimmer of the two (11.6mm vs 15mm), so it slides under a cuff more easily.
On the wrist the Forerunner 165 Music feels lighter (39g vs 76g, case only).
Among the 318 43mm watches we hold thickness for, the Forerunner 165 Music is thinner than 86%, so it wears flatter than its width suggests.
Among the 211 46mm watches we hold thickness for, the MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition is thicker than 70% — it will sit high even though the case width reads modest.
The MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition is 3mm wider, 3mm longer, 3.4mm thicker and 37g heavier than the Forerunner 165 Music. Both are circular.
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Watch Fit Tool
For sports watches, lug-to-lug (L2L) is what matters most — it decides whether a watch overhangs your wrist. Bulky is fine; overhang is not.
Measure at the point where you wear your watch — typically just below the wrist bone.
Flat width — lay your arm on a table, palm facing up, and measure straight across the top of your wrist with a ruler. Bone to bone; do not follow the curve down the sides.
Around — wrap a tape measure snugly round the wrist. No tape? Wrap a strip of paper, mark the overlap and hold the strip against a ruler.
Width ≠ circumference. They are different numbers — around 170mm is about 64mm across — so set the toggle to whichever one you actually measured before you type it in.
Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music
Case 43.0mm · Lug-to-lug 43.0mm · Thickness 11.6mm · 39g
Balanced Fit
43mm on a 55mm wrist
Comfortably inside the edges of your wrist, and it seats and sits low enough to wear without thinking about it.
On a 55mm wrist the sweet spot is 47–53mm lug to lug. This one is 43mm, so you could go bigger.
Measure where you wear it, just below the wrist bone. Either of these works — the tool converts between them.
- 1. Flat width — arm flat on a table, palm up. Measure straight across the top of the wrist, bone to bone, ignoring the curve down the sides.
- 2. Around — a tape, or a strip of paper marked and held against a ruler, snug the whole way round.
Leather: Attaches at the lugs, so the case back rests on your skin. Thins and softens with wear. Typical figures, not this model’s own.
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- Across the wrist6.0mm spare each side
Comfortable, with visible skin either side.
- Off the wrist11.6mm off the skin
Normal sports-watch height for a wrist this size. (11.6mm case, back against the skin)
- How it seats~4.4mm under the rim
Seats well, with the case back following most of the wrist.
- Weight on the wrist39g
Light enough to forget you have it on. (0.7g per mm of wrist)
Garmin MARQ® Commander (Gen 2) - Carbon Edition
Case 46.0mm · Lug-to-lug 46.0mm · Thickness 15.0mm · 76g
Balanced Fit
46mm on a 55mm wrist
Across the wrist it works — 4.5mm spare each side — but a tall watch on this wrist. Fine over a sleeve, awkward under one.
On a 55mm wrist the sweet spot is 47–53mm lug to lug. This one is 46mm, so you could go bigger.
Measure where you wear it, just below the wrist bone. Either of these works — the tool converts between them.
- 1. Flat width — arm flat on a table, palm up. Measure straight across the top of the wrist, bone to bone, ignoring the curve down the sides.
- 2. Around — a tape, or a strip of paper marked and held against a ruler, snug the whole way round.
Leather: Attaches at the lugs, so the case back rests on your skin. Thins and softens with wear. Typical figures, not this model’s own.
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- Across the wrist4.5mm spare each side
Comfortable, with visible skin either side.
- Off the wrist15.0mm off the skin
A tall watch on this wrist. Fine over a sleeve, awkward under one. (15.0mm case, back against the skin)
- How it seats~5.6mm under the rim
Seats well, with the case back following most of the wrist.
- Weight on the wrist76g
Substantial without being a burden — the usual weight of a steel watch on a wrist this size. (1.4g per mm of wrist)
2D Dimension Schematics
Every case drawn to scale on a shared centre — from above, and in profile against the wrist.
- Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music43mm · 11.6mm thick
- Garmin MARQ® Commander (Gen 2) - Carbon Edition46mm · 15mm thick
3D preview
Forerunner® 165 Music vs MARQ® Commander (Gen 2) - Carbon Edition on a wrist
Sized to your own wrist, turned any way you like.
Shapes are built from published measurements, not manufacturer 3D models — accurate proportions, generic dial.
Battery life compared
Furthest apart in Smartwatch mode, where the MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition lasts 1.5× as long as the Forerunner 165 Music (16 days against 11 days).
Forerunner 165 MusicMARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition
Battery Saver
—21 daysBattery Saver Smartwatch
20 days—Smartwatch
11 days16 daysExpedition GPS
—14 daysMax Battery GPS
—75 hoursGPS Only
—42 hoursAll Satellite Systems
—32 hoursAll Satellite Systems + Multi-band
—20 hoursGPS-Only GNSS
19 hours—All-Systems GNSS
17 hours—All Satellite Systems + Music
—10 hoursGPS-Only GNSS with music
7 hours—All-Systems GNSS with music
6.5 hours—
Specifications
The short version
7 key specs| Spec | GarminForerunner® 165 Music | GarminMARQ® Commander (Gen 2) - Carbon Edition |
|---|---|---|
| Case Width | 43mm | 46mm |
| Thickness | 11.6mm | 15mm |
| Weight | 39g | 76g |
| Shape | Circular | Circular |
| Display type | AMOLED (optional always-on mode) | AMOLED (always-on) |
| Battery life | Smartwatch mode: Up to 11 days Battery Saver Smartwatch mode: Up to 20 days GPS-Only GNSS mode: Up to 19 hours All-Systems GNSS mode: Up to 17 hours GPS-Only GNSS mode with music: Up to 7 hours All-Systems GNSS mode with music: Up to 6.5 hours See Details | Smartwatch: Up to 16 days (6 days always-on) Battery Saver Watch Mode: Up to 21 days GPS Only: Up to 42 hours (30 hours always-on ) All Satellite Systems: Up to 32 hours (24 hours always-on) All Satellite Systems + Multi-band: Up to 20 hours (15 hours always-on) All Satellite Systems + Music: Up to 10 hours (9 hours always-on) Max Battery GPS: Up to 75 hours Expedition GPS: Up to 14 days |
| Released | 2024 | 2023 |
Every specification
315 specs| Spec | Garmin Forerunner® 165 Music | Garmin MARQ® Commander (Gen 2) - Carbon Edition |
|---|---|---|
| Overview | ||
| Family | Garmin | Garmin |
| General | ||
| Battery life | Smartwatch mode: Up to 11 days Battery Saver Smartwatch mode: Up to 20 days GPS-Only GNSS mode: Up to 19 hours All-Systems GNSS mode: Up to 17 hours GPS-Only GNSS mode with music: Up to 7 hours All-Systems GNSS mode with music: Up to 6.5 hours See Details | Smartwatch: Up to 16 days (6 days always-on) Battery Saver Watch Mode: Up to 21 days GPS Only: Up to 42 hours (30 hours always-on ) All Satellite Systems: Up to 32 hours (24 hours always-on) All Satellite Systems + Multi-band: Up to 20 hours (15 hours always-on) All Satellite Systems + Music: Up to 10 hours (9 hours always-on) Max Battery GPS: Up to 75 hours Expedition GPS: Up to 14 days |
| Battery type | Lithium ion | — |
| Display Size | 1.2" (30.4 mm) diameter | 1.2” (30.4 mm) diameter |
| Color display | Yes | Yes |
| Lens Material | chemically strengthened glass | domed sapphire crystal |
| Bezel Material | fiber-reinforced polymer | titanium (grade 5)/fused carbon fiber |
| Memory/History | 4 GB | 32 GB |
| Strap material | silicone | nylon (Jacquard weave) |
| Charging method | Garmin proprietary plug charger | Garmin proprietary magnetic charger |
| Large font option | Yes | Yes |
| Display resolution | 390 x 390 pixels | 390 x 390 pixels |
| Quick Release bands | yes (20 mm, Industry standard) | — |
| Case material | — | fused carbon fiber with titanium rear cover |
| QuickFit® watch band compatible | — | yes (22 mm) |
| Sensors | ||
| GPS | Yes | Yes |
| Compass | Yes | Yes |
| GLONASS | Yes | Yes |
| Galileo | Yes | Yes |
| Thermometer | Yes | Yes |
| Accelerometer | Yes | Yes |
| Ambient light sensor | Yes | Yes |
| Barometric altimeter | Yes | Yes |
| Pulse Ox Blood Oxygen Saturation Monitor | Yes | yes (with acclimation) |
| Garmin Elevate™ wrist heart rate monitor | Yes | Yes |
| Gyroscope | — | Yes |
| SatIQ™ Technology | — | Yes |
| Product Info | ||
| Main SKU | 010-02863-30 | 010-02722-00 |
| Product ID | 1611937 | 815582 |
| Product Name | Forerunner® 165 Music | MARQ® Commander (Gen 2) - Carbon Edition |
| Release Date | 2/20/2024 | 10/12/2023 |
| Product Variation | Black/Slate Gray | Modern Tool Watch |
| Clock Features | ||
| Timer | Yes | Yes |
| Stopwatch | Yes | Yes |
| Time/date | Yes | Yes |
| Alarm clock | Yes | Yes |
| GPS Time Sync | Yes | Yes |
| Sunrise/sunset times | Yes | Yes |
| Automatic daylight saving time | Yes | Yes |
| Cycling Features | ||
| Courses | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia™ lights | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia headlight camera | Yes | Yes |
| Speed and cadence sensor support (w/sensor) | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia™ radar (rear-facing radar) | Yes | Yes |
| Alerts (triggers alarm when you reach goals including time, distance, heart rate or calories) | Yes | Yes |
| MTB Grit & Flow | — | Yes |
| Race an activity | — | Yes |
| Power meter compatible | — | Yes |
| Advanced cycling dynamics | — | Yes |
| FTP (Functional Threshold Power) | — | yes (with compatible accessory) |
| Cycle Map (routable cycling-specific street map) | — | Yes |
| Bike lap and lap maximum power (with power sensor) | — | Yes |
| Compatible with Vector™ and Rally™ (power meters) | — | Yes |
| Compatible with Varia Vision™ (head-mounted display) | — | Yes |
| Running Features | ||
| Run workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Running power | Yes | Yes |
| Race predictor | Yes | Yes |
| Foot pod capable | Yes | Yes |
| Running dynamics | Yes | Yes |
| Run/Walk/Stand detection | Yes | Yes |
| Stride length (real time) | Yes | Yes |
| PacePro™ Pacing Strategies | Yes | Yes |
| Vertical oscillation and ratio | Yes | Yes |
| Ground contact time and balance | yes (but not balance) | yes (GCT balance with accessory) |
| GPS-based distance, time and pace | Yes | Yes |
| Course- and weather-specific race predictor | Yes | Yes |
| Cadence (provides real-time number of steps per minute) | Yes | Yes |
| Hill score | — | Yes |
| Lactate threshold | — | yes (with compatible accessory) |
| Grade-adjusted pace | — | Yes |
| Trail run auto climb | — | Yes |
| Performance condition | — | Yes |
| What You'll Love | ||
| Touchscreen | Yes | Yes |
| Display type | AMOLED (optional always-on mode) | AMOLED (always-on) |
| Water rating | 5 ATM | 10 ATM |
| Garmin Pay™ | Yes | Yes |
| Music storage | Yes | Yes |
| Pulse Ox blood oxygen | yes (spot-check, during sleep, all day) | Yes |
| Sleep score and insights | Yes | Yes |
| Battery life (smartwatch mode) | Up to 11 days | Up to 16 days (6 days always-on) |
| Multi-band GPS | — | Yes |
| Training status | — | yes (improved) |
| Built-in mapping | — | Yes |
| Training readiness | — | Yes |
| Activity Profiles | ||
| Gym | Strength, HIIT, Cardio, Elliptical Training, Stair Stepping, Floor Climbing | Strength, HIIT, Cardio, Elliptical Training, Stair Stepping, Floor Climbing, Indoor Rowing, Jump Roping |
| Swim | Pool Swimming, Open Water Swimming | Pool Swimming, Open Water Swimming |
| Cycling | Biking, Indoor Biking | Biking, Road Biking, Mountain Biking, Gravel Biking, Bike Commuting, Bike Touring, eBiking, eMountain Biking, Indoor Biking, Cyclocross, BMX |
| Wellness | Walking, Pilates, Yoga, Indoor Walking | Walking, Pilates, Yoga, Indoor Walking |
| Racket sports | Tennis, Pickleball, Padel | Tennis, Pickleball, Badminton, Squash, Table Tennis, Padel, Platform Tennis, Racquetball |
| Indoor running | Treadmill Running, Indoor Track Running, Virtual Running | Treadmill Running, Indoor Track Running, Virtual Running |
| Outdoor running | Running, Outdoor Track Running, Trail Running, Ultra Running | Running, Outdoor Track Running, Trail Running, Ultra Running, Obstacle Racing |
| Outdoor recreation | Hiking | Hiking, Indoor Climbing, Bouldering, Climbing, Hunting, Horseback Riding, Golfing, Disc Golf, Archery |
| Multisport | — | Swimming/Running, Triathlon |
| In the ring | — | Boxing, Mixed Martial Arts |
| Team sports | — | Basketball, Volleyball, Field Hockey, Ice Hockey, Football/Soccer, American Football, Lacrosse, Rugby, Ultimate Disc, Cricket, Softball, Baseball |
| Motor sports | — | Motorcycling, Overlanding, Motocrossing, ATVing, Snowmobiling |
| On the Water | — | Stand Up Paddleboarding, Rowing, Kayaking, Surfing, Kiteboarding, Windsurfing, Fishing, Boating, Sailing, Sail Racing, Water Skiing, Wakeboarding, Wakesurfing, Tubing, Snorkeling, Sailing Expedition, Whitewater |
| Snow & winter | — | Skiing, Snowboarding, Backcountry Snowboarding, XC Classic Skiing, XC Skate Skiing, Backcountry Skiing, Ice Skating, Snowshoeing |
| Other activity profiles | — | Jumpmaster, Tactical, Inline Skating |
| Swimming Features | ||
| Time and distance alerts | Yes | Yes |
| Auto rest (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Drill logging (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Countdown start (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Underwater wrist-based heart rate | Yes | Yes |
| "Repeat on" rest timer (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Basic rest timer (up from 0) (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Stroke type detection (freestyle, backstroke, breaststroke, butterfly) (pool swim only) | Yes | Yes |
| Pool swim metrics (lengths, distance, pace, stroke count, swim efficiency (SWOLF), calories) | Yes | Yes |
| Open-water swim metrics (distance, pace, stroke count/rate, stroke distance, swim efficiency (SWOLF), calories) | Yes | Yes |
| Pool swim workouts | — | Yes |
| Critical swim speed | — | Yes |
| Pacing alerts (pool swim only) | — | Yes |
| Heart rate from external HRM (real-time during rests, interval and session stats during rests, and automatic heart rate download post-swim) | — | yes (with HRM-Tri, HRM-Swim, HRM-Pro or HRM-Pro Plus) |
| Outdoor Recreation | ||
| Auto rest | Yes | — |
| TracBack® | Yes | Yes |
| Back to start | Yes | Yes |
| Fish forecast | yes (via Connect IQ™) | Yes |
| UltraTrac mode | Yes | Yes |
| Area calculation | yes (via Connect IQ™) | yes (via Connect IQ™) |
| Elevation profile | Yes | Yes |
| Total ascent/descent | Yes | Yes |
| Future elevation plot | Yes | Yes |
| Distance to destination | Yes | Yes |
| Sun and moon information | yes (via Connect IQ™) | Yes |
| Point-to-point navigation | Yes | Yes |
| Rest Timer (Ultra Run only) | Yes | Yes |
| Bread crumb trail in real time | Yes | Yes |
| Tides | — | yes (via Connect IQ™) |
| Up Ahead | — | Yes |
| Sight 'N Go | — | Yes |
| Tide glance | — | Yes |
| Explore Nearby | — | Yes |
| Vertical speed | — | Yes |
| GPS coordinates | — | Yes |
| Reference point | — | Yes |
| Projected waypoint | — | Yes |
| NextFork™ navigation | — | Yes |
| Preloaded ski resort maps | — | Yes |
| ClimbPro™ Ascent Planner | — | Yes |
| Preloaded road and trail maps | — | Yes |
| Downloadable cartography support | — | Yes |
| Barometric trend indicator with Storm Alert | — | Yes |
| Daily Smart Features | ||
| Calendar | Yes | Yes |
| Passcode | Yes | — |
| Connectivity | Bluetooth®, ANT+®, Wi-Fi® | Bluetooth®, ANT+®, Wi-Fi® |
| Garmin Share | Yes | Yes |
| Find My Phone | Yes | Yes |
| Find My Watch | Yes | Yes |
| Morning report | Yes | Yes |
| Red shift mode | Yes | Yes |
| Weather forecasts | Yes | Yes |
| Smart Notifications | Yes | Yes |
| Smartphone compatibility | iPhone®, Android™ | iPhone®, Android™ |
| Controls smartphone music | Yes | Yes |
| On-device Connect IQ™ Store | Yes | Yes |
| Plays and controls watch music | Yes | Yes |
| Find My Phone during GPS activity | Yes | Yes |
| Pairs with Garmin Connect™ Mobile | Yes | Yes |
| Compatible with Garmin Messenger app | Yes | Yes |
| Battery saver (customizable low power watch) | Yes | Yes |
| Realtime settings sync with Garmin Connect™ mobile | Yes | Yes |
| View images from notifications on watch (Android™ only) | Yes | Yes |
| Text response/reject phone call with text (Android™ only) | Yes | Yes |
| Connect IQ™ (downloadable watch faces, data fields and apps) | Yes | Yes |
| Stocks | — | Yes |
| Connected GPS | — | Yes |
| VIRB® Remote | — | Yes |
| Smart trainer control | — | Yes |
| Activity Tracking Features | ||
| TrueUp™ | Yes | Yes |
| Move IQ™ | Yes | Yes |
| Step counter | Yes | Yes |
| Floors climbed | Yes | Yes |
| Calories burned | Yes | Yes |
| Distance traveled | Yes | Yes |
| Intensity minutes | Yes | Yes |
| Automatic rep counting | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Connect™ Challenges app | yes (optional Connect IQ app) | yes (optional Connect IQ app) |
| Move alerts (displays on device after a period of inactivity) | Yes | Yes |
| Auto goal (learns your activity level and assigns a daily step goal) | Yes | Yes |
| Workout and Training Plans | ||
| HIIT workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Yoga workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Cardio workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Pilates workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Strength workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Running Coach | yes (no strength add-on) | Yes |
| Garmin Running Coach Experts | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Coach - Prebuilt Cycling Plans | Yes | Yes |
| Daily Suggested Workout - Running (Pace and Heart Rate Based) | Yes | Yes |
| Garmin Cycling Coach | — | Yes |
| On-screen workout animations | — | Yes |
| On-screen workout muscle maps | — | Yes |
| Daily Suggested Workout - Cycling (Pace and Heart Rate Based) | — | Yes |
| Health & Wellness Monitoring | ||
| Sleep | yes (advanced) | yes (advanced) |
| Hydration | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) |
| Breathwork | Yes | Yes |
| Meditation | Yes | — |
| Fitness age | Yes | yes (in app) |
| Nap detection | Yes | Yes |
| All-day stress | Yes | Yes |
| Women's health | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) | yes (in Garmin Connect™ and optional Connect IQ™ widget) |
| Health snapshot | Yes | Yes |
| Respiration rate | Yes | Yes |
| Resting heart rate | Yes | Yes |
| Breathing variations | Yes | Yes |
| Relaxation reminders | Yes | Yes |
| Abnormal heart rate alerts | yes (high and low) | yes (high and low) |
| Relaxation breathing timer | Yes | Yes |
| Body Battery™ energy monitor | Yes | Yes |
| Wrist-based heart rate (constant, every second) | Yes | Yes |
| Sleep coach | — | Yes |
| Jet lag adviser | — | Yes |
| Safety and Tracking Features | ||
| Assistance | Yes | Yes |
| Live Event Sharing | Android™ Only | Yes |
| Incident Detection during select activities | Yes | Yes |
| Incident detection alert on phone for wearables | Yes | Yes |
| Kid Activity Tracking Features | ||
| Toe-to-Toe™ Challenges app | yes (optional Connect IQ Toe-to-Toe™ Challenges app) | yes (optional Connect IQ Toe-to-Toe™ Challenges app) |
| Training, Planning and Analysis Features | ||
| % HRR | Yes | Yes |
| % HR max | Yes | Yes |
| HR zones | Yes | Yes |
| HR alerts | Yes | Yes |
| HRV status | Yes | Yes |
| Manual lap | Yes | Yes |
| Rest timer | Yes | Yes |
| Auto max HR | Yes | Yes |
| Finish time | Yes | Yes |
| HR calories | Yes | Yes |
| Voice alerts | Yes | Yes |
| Physio TrueUp | Yes | Yes |
| Recovery time | Yes | Yes |
| VO2 Max (Run) | Yes | Yes |
| Course guidance | Yes | Yes |
| Training effect | Yes | Yes |
| Advanced workouts | Yes | Yes |
| Interval training | Yes | Yes |
| Race glance/widget | Yes | Yes |
| VO2 Max (Trail Run) | Yes | Yes |
| GPS speed and distance | Yes | Yes |
| Configurable lap alerts | Yes | Yes |
| Customizable data pages | Yes | Yes |
| Touch and/or button lock | Yes | Yes |
| Activity history on watch | Yes | Yes |
| Downloadable training plans | Yes | Yes |
| Training effect (anaerobic) | Yes | Yes |
| HRM running pace and distance | Yes | Yes |
| Customizable activity profiles | Yes | Yes |
| Auto Pause® automatic timer halt | Yes | Yes |
| Respiration rate (during exercise) | Yoga and Breathwork only | Yes |
| Auto Lap® interval tracking feature | Yes | Yes |
| Primary benefit (Training Effect labels) | Yes | Yes |
| HR broadcast (broadcasts HR data over ANT+® to paired devices) | Yes | Yes |
| Shortcuts | — | Yes |
| Load ratio | — | Yes |
| Auto scroll | — | Yes |
| Custom alerts | — | Yes |
| Training load | — | Yes |
| Endurance score | — | Yes |
| Virtual Partner | — | Yes |
| Race an Activity | — | Yes |
| Realtime stamina | — | Yes |
| Training load focus | — | Yes |
| Garmin Live Segments | — | Yes |
| Strava Live Segments | — | Yes |
| Improved recovery time | — | Yes |
| Unified training status | — | Yes |
| Multisport auto transition | — | Yes |
| Manual multisport activities | — | Yes |
| Heat and altitude acclimation | — | Yes |
| Trendline™ Popularity Routing | — | Yes |
| Round-trip course creator (running/cycling) | — | Yes |
| Power Modes - customizable in-activity battery settings | — | Yes |
| Improved interval (includes open repeats, intervals data page, rest screen and auto detection) | — | Yes |
| HRV stress test (measures your heart rate variability while standing still, for 3 minutes, to provide you with an estimated stress level; the scale of this is 1 to 100; low scores indicate lower stress levels) | — | Yes |
| Gaming Features | ||
| Gaming Activity | — | Yes |
| GameOn™ app compatible | — | Yes |
| Boating Features | ||
| Wearable trolling motor remote | — | Yes |
| Golfing Features | ||
| PinPointer | — | Yes |
| Swing Tempo | — | Yes |
| Custom targets | — | Yes |
| Tempo Training | — | Yes |
| Virtual caddie | — | Yes |
| Full vector map | — | Yes |
| Handicap scoring | — | Yes |
| Tournament legal | — | Yes |
| Digital scorecard | — | Yes |
| Garmin AutoShot™ | — | Yes |
| PlaysLike distance | — | Yes |
| Round timer/odometer | — | Yes |
| TruSwing™ compatible | — | Yes |
| Auto CourseView updates | — | Yes |
| Yardage to layups/doglegs | — | Yes |
| Hazards and course targets | — | Yes |
| Pairs with Garmin Golf app | — | Yes |
| Green View with manual pin position | — | Yes |
| Preloaded with 43,000 courses worldwide | — | Yes |
| Green Contours (with Garmin Golf membership) | — | Yes |
| CT10 Automatic club tracking compatible (requires accessory) | — | Yes |
| Yardage to F/M/B (distance to front, middle and back of green) | — | Yes |
| Stat tracking (strokes, putts per round, greens and fairways hit) | — | Yes |
| Wind speed and direction (requires connection to Garmin Golf app) | — | Yes |
| Touch-targeting (touch target on display to see the distance to any point) | — | Yes |
| Measures shot distance (calculates exact yardage for shots from anywhere on course) | — | automatic |
| Aviation Features | ||
| In-flight Pulse Ox | — | Yes |
| NEXRAD on moving map | — | Yes |
| Worldwide airport database(s) | — | Yes |
| Multiple time zones with Zulu/UTC | — | Yes |
| TAF (Terminal Aerodrome Forecast) | — | Yes |
| METAR (Meteorological Aerodrome Report) | — | Yes |
| 3-axis compass with HSI (horizontal situation indicator) | — | Yes |
| Moving Map with aviation airports, navaids, roads, bodies of water and more | — | Yes |
| Tactical Features | ||
| Kill switch | — | Yes |
| Stealth Mode | — | Yes |
| Ballistics solver | — | Yes |
| Night vision mode | — | Yes |
| XERO™ Locations | — | Yes |
| Dual grid coordinates | — | Yes |
Wrist Fit
Garmin Forerunner 165 Music
Sits best on wrists ~45–61mm wide (≈ 12.0–16.3cm circumference).
Garmin MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition
Sits best on wrists ~48–66mm wide (≈ 12.8–17.6cm circumference).
Frequently Asked Questions
Is the Garmin Forerunner 165 Music bigger than the Garmin MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition?
The Garmin MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition is bigger — 46mm vs 43mm case width.
Which fits a smaller wrist better, the Garmin Forerunner 165 Music or the Garmin MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition?
The Garmin Forerunner 165 Music suits wrists around 45–61mm wide, and the Garmin MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition around 48–66mm. The one with the smaller lower bound is the safer pick for a small wrist.
Can I see the Garmin Forerunner 165 Music and Garmin MARQ Commander Gen 2 Carbon Edition side by side at true scale?
Yes — the schematics and photos above show both watches at matched scale, and our fit tool overlays each on your wrist width.